[TOS] POSSE Length
Stephen Jacobs
itprofjacobs at gmail.com
Tue Aug 3 14:04:26 UTC 2010
We just held a successful POSSE at RIT. The week went fine and we had eighty percent or so make it through the week. We lost a few toward the end, but primarily due to the fact that the university had decided to switch from quarter to semester and several folks had last minute responsibilities thrust upon them :-)
That said, I could see a POSSE lite kind of experience over a three day weekend or something that would allow for academic year offerings as well as summer.
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> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:21:50 -0400
> From: William Cohen <wcohen at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] What's Wrong With the American University System
> To: tos at teachingopensource.org
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> On 08/01/2010 07:41 PM, Luis Ibanez wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Matthew Jadud <mjadud at allegheny.edu <mailto:mjadud at allegheny.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/8/1 Luis Ibanez <luis.ibanez at kitware.com <mailto:luis.ibanez at kitware.com>>:
>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/07/whats-wrong-with-the-american-university-system/60458/
>>>
>>> http://highereducationquestionmark.com/
>>
>> I encountered this recently. I haven't read the book. Until I do, the
>> pull quotes only look to be great flame bait.
>>
>> What, exactly, is your point?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> The point is quite simple:
>>
>> Many of the difficulties that the TOS community is facing when
>> bringing Open Source to Higher Education institutions, are
>> actually related to the fact that the HE system itself has a
>> significant number of structural deficiencies.
>>
>>
>> The most notable of which is :
>>
>> That professors in many Universities do not get
>> evaluated nor recognized for their teaching activities,
>> but mostly by they research activities and/or their ability
>> for raising funds (e.g. grants).
>>
>> The Corollary is that TOS activities may find a more
>> receptive environment in HE institutions that are actually
>> focused on teaching more than they are on doing
>> research. (for example: Community Colleges)
>>
>>
>> In Institutions that really have Education as a Mission,
>> it is a nobrainer that open source software is the ideal
>> vehicle for training students who really need to know
>> how things work.
>>
>>
>> Luis
>
> Hi Luis,
>
> Rather than pitting researching against teaching would it better to get the research-oriented professors to the point where open source software is the preferred way of implementing their research? Help the research-oriented professors embrace open source software and make them advocates of teaching open source software.
>
> There are many researchers that use open source software as a starting point for their research projects and they certainly see the benefit to using open source software. However, the main objective for those research projects is to produce publishable results, not to produce a polished piece of software. The result is they often end up with a set of patches that never make it into the upstream version of the software. There are benefits for researchers following the complete open source development model and getting their implementation ideas into the upstream open source software: upstream reviews can improve the quality of the research results, merging their patches upstream reduces future maintenance costs, and the software can be a portfolio showcasing their work for future funding.
>
> -Will
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:42:42 -0400
> From: "Clif Kussmaul" <clif at kussmaul.org>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
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> I would be happy to help Matt, Heidi, and others in planning a 1-day at
> SIGCSE.
> Could it be packaged as 2 x 3 hour workshops (Part I, Part II)?
>
> We could also try something similar at a CCSC meeting -
> CCSCNE is at WNEC in April, right?
>
> Clif
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> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:06:45 -0400
> From: Matthew Jadud <mjadud at allegheny.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] FW: Teaching Open Source at 16 Months: A
> Forward-Looking Retrospective
> To: Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com>
> Cc: tos at teachingopensource.org
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> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 07:57, Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> feasible than a full week. I also like the idea of attaching them to
>> existing conferences.
>
> +1
>
>> My suggestion about how to go about doing this would be to identify the
>> strongest barriers to entry for profs and address those. Many profs are
>
> Also +1.
>
>> week-long POSSE. I agree that "showing" isn't as useful as "doing", but in
>> the spirit of reaching more people, the mini-POSSE is likely to be
>> attractive to folks.
>
> If I took the lead (or anyone else can, for that matter), would you
> and/or others be interested in leading a 1-day at SIGCSE? The deadline
> for workshops is coming up in about a month. (Actually, a 1-day is
> longer than the typical format -- SIGCSE does 3-hour workshops. We'd
> have to make a case for a full-day.)
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> **********************************
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:26:16 -0400
> From: David Nalley <david at gnsa.us>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] TeachingOpenSource.org - Infrastructure Plans
> To: Matthew Jadud <mjadud at allegheny.edu>
> Cc: tos <tos at teachingopensource.org>
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> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Matthew Jadud <mjadud at allegheny.edu> wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 23:10, David Nalley <david at gnsa.us> wrote:
>>> willingly offering time/people/resources/money to education in general
>>> and TOS.o specifically, but there's also a point at which too much
>>> help hinders rather than aids the growth of a community.
>>
>> I've heard this a few times now: "too much support hinders the growth
>> of a community."
>>
>> I'm going to claim this is false in the given context, and let others
>> push back. The TOS community is clearly a mixed bag: people who are
>> teaching open source "as a passion," and others who are working to
>> make it part of their professional practice. The former is in keeping
>> with the traditional conception of open source and open communities
>> (volunteer effort, come-and-go-as-you-please, being "productively
>> lost," etc.), while the blend in the latter case is unlike any model
>> that we're familiar with (but I welcome comparisons/examples).
>>
>> So, perhaps it is true that support hinders the growth of volunteer
>> communities (I'd like evidence). I doubt it is true when you're asking
>> professionals to fundamentally shift their day-to-day practice.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>
> Hi Matt:
>
> I'll offer up some evidence. Fedora used to have RHT make all of it's
> media, swag, RHT employees were the only people who travelled to
> conferences to speak on Fedora's behalf, etc. That 'help' paralyzed
> people, mostly in NA. EMEA, at the same time, made their own Fedora
> media and swag, basically because they were ignored by the local RHT
> offices, excepting a few employees. The people in NA felt like
> speaking at conferences, and making stuff was a job held by RHT, and
> felt that we had precious little input, until we noticed what EMEA was
> doing. Incidentally - the community essentially does all swag, and
> media production in NA. And while CommArch and other RHT employees
> speak a lot - there are a number of people who I'd wager speak at more
> conferences than CommArch folks.
>
> There are similiar stories that could be told about the current Fedora
> Infrastructure versus the time when it was managed all by RHIT.
>
> Essentially it creates the sensation that whatever the large corporate
> entity is doing, particularly if they do it to the exclusion of
> others, must be so hard, difficult, or privileged that others must not
> be permitted, or qualified to do. Further it has the possibility to
> make people feel like they can't contribute to the project.
>
> There are a number of examples of situations that don't have happy
> endings unlike the above. Thankfully over the years RHT has learned
> that even though they might be able to do a good job at $foo, but
> giving the community a chance to get involved and participate is
> better for the growth of the community.
>
> I do think TOS community is very much like a traditional OSS
> community. There are professionals (in the IT world for instance), and
> there are those who are passionate merely because it excites them.
> This mirrors your "The TOS community is clearly a mixed bag: people
> who are teaching open source "as a passion," and others who are
> working to make it part of their professional practice."
>
> I, for instance, work in IT, My participation in F/LOSS is a part of
> and enhances my professional practice; while teaching open source is
> 'as a passion'
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:58:55 -0400
> From: "Heidi Ellis" <heidijcellis at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
> To: <tos at teachingopensource.org>
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> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been holding back commenting on holding something before SIGCSE because
> I'm not sure if there will be another HFOSS Symposium in 2011. If there is,
> I wouldn't want to create conflict with that by holding a workshop before
> the conference at the same time. And I tried holding a workshop after the
> conference this year (2010) and it got cancelled due to lack of enrollment.
> Seems many folks don't want to stay after the actual conference.
>
> Can anyone comment on the probability of a 2011 HFOSS Symposium at SIGCSE?
>
> Heidi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org
> [mailto:tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org] On Behalf Of Clif Kussmaul
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:43 PM
> To: tos at teachingopensource.org
> Subject: Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
>
> I would be happy to help Matt, Heidi, and others in planning a 1-day at
> SIGCSE.
> Could it be packaged as 2 x 3 hour workshops (Part I, Part II)?
>
> We could also try something similar at a CCSC meeting -
> CCSCNE is at WNEC in April, right?
>
> Clif
> ---
> Clif Kussmaul ? clif at kussmaul.org ? 484-893-0255 EDT=GMT-5:00
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:06:45 -0400
> From: Matthew Jadud <mjadud at allegheny.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] FW: Teaching Open Source at 16 Months: A
> Forward-Looking Retrospective
> To: Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com>
> Cc: tos at teachingopensource.org
> Message-ID:
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> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 07:57, Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> feasible than a full week. I also like the idea of attaching them to
>> existing conferences.
>
> +1
>
>> My suggestion about how to go about doing this would be to identify the
>> strongest barriers to entry for profs and address those. Many profs are
>
> Also +1.
>
>> week-long POSSE. I agree that "showing" isn't as useful as "doing", but in
>> the spirit of reaching more people, the mini-POSSE is likely to be
>> attractive to folks.
>
> If I took the lead (or anyone else can, for that matter), would you
> and/or others be interested in leading a 1-day at SIGCSE? The deadline
> for workshops is coming up in about a month. (Actually, a 1-day is
> longer than the typical format -- SIGCSE does 3-hour workshops. We'd
> have to make a case for a full-day.)
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> **********************************
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> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:48:02 -0400
> From: Ralph Morelli <ralph.morelli at trincoll.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
> To: Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com>
> Cc: tos at teachingopensource.org
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> Hi Heidi,
>
> Yes, the HFOSS project will be holding its annual day-long Symposium at
> SIGCSE. We
> haven't started planning the program yet. SIGCSE is scheduled for March
> 9-12. So I think our
> symposium will be on March 9th. Pre-conference workshops would be on the
> evening of
> the 9th, I think.
>
> -- ralph
>
> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I've been holding back commenting on holding something before SIGCSE
>> because
>> I'm not sure if there will be another HFOSS Symposium in 2011. If there is,
>> I wouldn't want to create conflict with that by holding a workshop before
>> the conference at the same time. And I tried holding a workshop after the
>> conference this year (2010) and it got cancelled due to lack of enrollment.
>> Seems many folks don't want to stay after the actual conference.
>>
>> Can anyone comment on the probability of a 2011 HFOSS Symposium at SIGCSE?
>>
>> Heidi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org
>> [mailto:tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org] On Behalf Of Clif Kussmaul
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:43 PM
>> To: tos at teachingopensource.org
>> Subject: Re: [TOS] tos Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3
>>
>> I would be happy to help Matt, Heidi, and others in planning a 1-day at
>> SIGCSE.
>> Could it be packaged as 2 x 3 hour workshops (Part I, Part II)?
>>
>> We could also try something similar at a CCSC meeting -
>> CCSCNE is at WNEC in April, right?
>>
>> Clif
>> ---
>> Clif Kussmaul clif at kussmaul.org 484-893-0255 EDT=GMT-5:00
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:06:45 -0400
>> From: Matthew Jadud <mjadud at allegheny.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [TOS] FW: Teaching Open Source at 16 Months: A
>> Forward-Looking Retrospective
>> To: Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com>
>> Cc: tos at teachingopensource.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTik-7YO-44u7UUx-wLH=+FX3Yh7FrDDKc=Ba4658 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 07:57, Heidi Ellis <heidijcellis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> feasible than a full week. I also like the idea of attaching them to
>>> existing conferences.
>>
>> +1
>>
>>> My suggestion about how to go about doing this would be to identify the
>>> strongest barriers to entry for profs and address those. Many profs are
>>
>> Also +1.
>>
>>> week-long POSSE. I agree that "showing" isn't as useful as "doing", but
>> in
>>> the spirit of reaching more people, the mini-POSSE is likely to be
>>> attractive to folks.
>>
>> If I took the lead (or anyone else can, for that matter), would you
>> and/or others be interested in leading a 1-day at SIGCSE? The deadline
>> for workshops is coming up in about a month. (Actually, a 1-day is
>> longer than the typical format -- SIGCSE does 3-hour workshops. We'd
>> have to make a case for a full-day.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>> **********************************
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> From: Ralph Morelli <ralph.morelli at trincoll.edu>
> Subject: [TOS] FOSS architect position at UN
> To: tos at teachingopensource.org
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> A friend of mine asked me to spread the word about this FOSS architect job
> at the UN's Global Pulse program, an effort to help close the information
> gap between rich and poor nations. He said the UN salary is ~ $140K.
> Please forward to anyone who might be interested.
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> http://www.unglobalpulse.org/chief-platform-architect
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> Thanks,
> -- ralph
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