From stefano at opensource.org  Thu Apr  4 15:11:23 2024
From: stefano at opensource.org (Stefano Maffulli)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 17:11:23 +0200
Subject: [TOS] New open source text book!!!
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Congratulations on publishing the book. I was browsing it casually today,
hoping to find material that the Open Source Initiative could reuse but I
found a glaring mistake in the first chapter. In "What is Open Source"
https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/opensource/sec_oss_what_it_is.html?mode=browsing
the book starts saying

    Open Source Software (OSS) is software for which the source code is
open for anyone to view

This is very wrong, especially since you capitalize Open Source Software.
That's a term of art,  universally recognized by industry and even by
legislators around the world as "computer software that is released under a
license in which the copyright holder grants users the rights to use,
study, change, and distribute the software and its source code to anyone
and for any purpose" That's the Wikipedia wording, but you'll find many
similarly worded definitions in US and EU guidelines and regulations.

Being able to simply view the code has never been a value of Open Source
Software.

Later the chapter says "A related type of open source software is Free and
Open Source Software (FOSS) which offers additional freedoms" which is also
wrong. FOSS is just another term for OSS. The wikipedia entry
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software> offers more
resources, and you'll note how the definition of what is FOSS is basically
identical to that of OSS.

I really hope these issues can be fixed so that students get a better
understanding of the Open Source ecosystem.

Regards,
Stef


On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 11:13?PM Jan Pearce <pearcej at berea.edu> wrote:

> Thanks so much for this note, Heidi! I am very proud of the book, but also
> sincerely want to invite improvements from this community. If it doesn't
> have the content you need, please consider posting an issue at
> https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/issues and/or a pull request at
> https://github.com/pearcej/opensource. (I am currently using my students
> to post issues and issue pull-requests, so  there are a number of issues,
> but I hope you can see that I am being very responsive!
>
> Jan
> <https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/issues>
> Issues ? pearcej/opensource <https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/issues>
> Open Source: What it is and How to Contribute. Contribute to
> pearcej/opensource development by creating an account on GitHub.
> github.com
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Jan Pearce | Professor of Computer and Information Science
>
> Berea College | Berea, KY| | (859) 985-3569
>
> www.berea.edu/csc/faculty-and-staff/dr-jan-pearce
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tos <tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org> on behalf of Heidi Ellis
> <heidi.ellis at wne.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2023 4:05 PM
> *To:* tos at teachingopensource.org <tos at teachingopensource.org>
> *Subject:* [TOS] New open source text book!!!
>
> [EXTERNAL SENDER]
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I would like to draw your attention to a new text book by our own Jan
> Pearce titled "Open Source: What It Is and How to Contribute". This is
> an open source textbook hosted on Runestone:
>
>
> https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/opensource/meta_frontmatter.html?mode=browsing
>
> Congratulations Jan on the publication of your text!
>
> Heidi
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From pearcej at berea.edu  Thu Apr  4 15:42:09 2024
From: pearcej at berea.edu (Jan Pearce)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 15:42:09 +0000
Subject: [TOS] New open source text book!!!
In-Reply-To: <CAH=j4iT9syg7sx7Cv2fimEsTorotjsb2aBNpVgP+aKkisYz0Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f39d7932-2c59-1967-f240-e689a0a8f5dd@wne.edu>
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 <CAH=j4iT9syg7sx7Cv2fimEsTorotjsb2aBNpVgP+aKkisYz0Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR16MB6272B392F84D42FCE96FF27DBB3C2@SA1PR16MB6272.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks, I would welcome a pull request.
Best,
Jan

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Berea College | Berea, KY | (859) 985-3569
To request to meet ? please use https://calendly.com/drjanp/<https://calendly.com/drjanp/30min>

From: Stefano Maffulli <stefano at opensource.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2024 11:11 AM
To: Jan Pearce <pearcej at berea.edu>
Cc: Heidi Ellis <heidi.ellis at wne.edu>; tos at teachingopensource.org
Subject: Re: [TOS] New open source text book!!!

[EXTERNAL SENDER]
Congratulations on publishing the book. I was browsing it casually today, hoping to find material that the Open Source Initiative could reuse but I found a glaring mistake in the first chapter. In "What is Open Source" https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/opensource/sec_oss_what_it_is.html?mode=browsing the book starts saying

    Open Source Software (OSS) is software for which the source code is open for anyone to view

This is very wrong, especially since you capitalize Open Source Software. That's a term of art,  universally recognized by industry and even by legislators around the world as "computer software that is released under a license in which the copyright holder grants users the rights to use, study, change, and distribute the software and its source code to anyone and for any purpose" That's the Wikipedia wording, but you'll find many similarly worded definitions in US and EU guidelines and regulations.

Being able to simply view the code has never been a value of Open Source Software.

Later the chapter says "A related type of open source software is Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) which offers additional freedoms" which is also wrong. FOSS is just another term for OSS. The wikipedia entry<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software> offers more resources, and you'll note how the definition of what is FOSS is basically identical to that of OSS.

I really hope these issues can be fixed so that students get a better understanding of the Open Source ecosystem.

Regards,
Stef


On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 11:13?PM Jan Pearce <pearcej at berea.edu<mailto:pearcej at berea.edu>> wrote:
Thanks so much for this note, Heidi! I am very proud of the book, but also sincerely want to invite improvements from this community. If it doesn't have the content you need, please consider posting an issue at https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/issues and/or a pull request at https://github.com/pearcej/opensource. (I am currently using my students to post issues and issue pull-requests, so  there are a number of issues, but I hope you can see that I am being very responsive!

Jan
[https://opengraph.githubassets.com/bd2bfc559b70c12a2a7f7ec8dfde854260be1ab4f63340d10bbb886b61acf1bc/pearcej/opensource]<https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/issues>
Issues ? pearcej/opensource<https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/issues>
Open Source: What it is and How to Contribute. Contribute to pearcej/opensource development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com<http://github.com>



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Dr. Jan Pearce | Professor of Computer and Information Science

Berea College | Berea, KY| | (859) 985-3569

www.berea.edu/csc/faculty-and-staff/dr-jan-pearce<http://www.berea.edu/csc/faculty-and-staff/dr-jan-pearce>



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From: tos <tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org<mailto:tos-bounces at teachingopensource.org>> on behalf of Heidi Ellis <heidi.ellis at wne.edu<mailto:heidi.ellis at wne.edu>>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 4:05 PM
To: tos at teachingopensource.org<mailto:tos at teachingopensource.org> <tos at teachingopensource.org<mailto:tos at teachingopensource.org>>
Subject: [TOS] New open source text book!!!

[EXTERNAL SENDER]

Hi Folks,

I would like to draw your attention to a new text book by our own Jan
Pearce titled "Open Source: What It Is and How to Contribute". This is
an open source textbook hosted on Runestone:

https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/opensource/meta_frontmatter.html?mode=browsing

Congratulations Jan on the publication of your text!

Heidi
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From mark at galassi.org  Thu Apr  4 15:45:22 2024
From: mark at galassi.org (Mark Galassi)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 09:45:22 -0600
Subject: [TOS] New open source text book!!!
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References: <f39d7932-2c59-1967-f240-e689a0a8f5dd@wne.edu>
 <SN1PR16MB21755BDD43C2EEEE0C6D6F02BBFCA@SN1PR16MB2175.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH=j4iT9syg7sx7Cv2fimEsTorotjsb2aBNpVgP+aKkisYz0Fw@mail.gmail.com>
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> [...] but I found a glaring mistake in the
> first chapter. In "What is Open Source"?

I agree with Stefano: that is a real problem and it should be fixed at once.

"Free and open source software" and "open source software" and "free software" refer to the same body of software, just with different emphasis on goals.

The very small differences between the open source definition and the free software definition are tiny compared to this major mistake.

From volume4.schalk at gmail.com  Thu Apr  4 19:28:35 2024
From: volume4.schalk at gmail.com (Schalk Neethling)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 21:28:35 +0200
Subject: [TOS] New open source text book!!!
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References: <f39d7932-2c59-1967-f240-e689a0a8f5dd@wne.edu>
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Hey All,

I opened this pull request in an attempt to update the definition and
relationship to free and open source software:
https://github.com/pearcej/opensource/pull/310

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 5:45?PM Mark Galassi <mark at galassi.org> wrote:

>
> > [...] but I found a glaring mistake in the
> > first chapter. In "What is Open Source"
>
> I agree with Stefano: that is a real problem and it should be fixed at
> once.
>
> "Free and open source software" and "open source software" and "free
> software" refer to the same body of software, just with different emphasis
> on goals.
>
> The very small differences between the open source definition and the free
> software definition are tiny compared to this major mistake.
> _______________________________________________
> tos mailing list
> tos at teachingopensource.org
> http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos
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From clif at kussmaul.org  Sun Apr 14 10:52:26 2024
From: clif at kussmaul.org (Clif Kussmaul)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 06:52:26 -0400
Subject: [TOS] Git Gamified
Message-ID: <CAEW-QCuGCZ0Fo9md7e1SWcqZ07+NxbTjYoMsGbBym=3qdsDgCA@mail.gmail.com>

Some of us have talked about git games - here's another example:
https://hackaday.com/2024/04/12/git-good-by-playing-a-gamified-version-of-git/

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